Not now, however. I won't accept something just because someone says it. Folger was a former intelligence officer during WWII and maintained those contacts long after the war. Whitson had worked in Central America during the late 50s, close to the Folger Company's offices (Ecuador?). If I had, they probably would have run to a lot more posts than the many that certain of the threads did ! Eventually he did begin the process of revoking Manson's status. I agree Beauders. Someone you don't know, ostensibly on the other side of the world, appears and starts making claims about "HAPPENINGS" at "SPAHN RANCH" when some bikers hung up there at the same time a group of people that spawned a number of murderers. As soon as they got home, Abigail spoke to her mother on the phone around 10:00. "Put yourself in my position. I'd welcome any theories or additional info one may want to share and I'll share the info I have. %%EOF It worked. But SMOOOCH to you!!!! Her story has changed more than once. What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. Perhaps Manson thought he could recruit me at some point?Who knows?But I will tell you this. Their successors are illegal domestic NOCs at video game and social media suppliers, and APA handlers. He is asked why he did not revoke Manson's probation earlier and he explains why. Is there a pic with the couch with a flag?I can look, but I have to say, I'm just exhausted and will retire for the night.And don't nobody say "yeah". Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap Podcast Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA I'll research it and test it and weigh it up and shake it to bits ~ and I insist that people do likewise with what I say.Mon Durphy said Kay, I'd like to sit down in a bar one night and listen to some stories, he seems like a really nice guyI know what you mean about him, I kind of agree but, he definitely has had issues for almost half a century where Bugliosi is concerned Well grimtraveller,nice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lol.You say grim:"Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ? William I think Doris saw that flag on the couch a couple of days before the murders. Thus some tainted drug had to be given to them. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's Camaro. He is mentioned several times in the papers and documents of Robert B. Anderson, who was Eisenhower's Deputy Secretary of Defense and then his Treasury Secretary. That guy was a waste of humanity!!! Folger, a former air intel officer in WWII, still kept close ties to the government. According to Bobby Jameson on his blog, he and his friend Harvey Dareff were at or near the Tate house the night before the murders. He's never going to be executed but hopefully he will suffer a long painful death. He gave him a piano. On the night of the murders, he'd been there and left. Have a nice evening!!! I also was conscious of not rehashing and repeating myself, especially when many of the issues that were brought up, I'd commented on endlessly over the past 4 years. That clears things up. Lotus, Brabham, McLaren, Cooper and a few others joined, but the venture failed because Whitson . His mother was a dancer and his father was a world-renowned acrobat. I'm almost endlessly fascinated by the number of people who seem to have made it their life's mission to discount the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that for the most part, things were as they were shown to be. It should have been MPK 308. Extracting Reeve Whitson from this fermentan agent of actual chaos working hard in the shadows of Bugliosi's drug-crazed Helter Skelter psychodramaconstitutes a heroic act of sleuthing.. I don't know if it's a typo or just laziness. She'd nod and say she knew, but that Gibby and Voityck thought it was very funny. Was Charles Manson a CIA lab rat? : r/HighStrangeness - Reddit Or was he himself a willing pawn in a greater scheme he wasn't aware of?The CIA are not nice guys. This whole ONeill book thing is a collection of tin hat conspiracy bullshitThat, Dave, is being pretty generous.It sounds like Shreck writ large but without the 900+ pages. He had none. Note the characters involved.FITZGERALD:Are you in charge of the prosecution of the case of People vs. Manson, et al? What I would prefer mr oneill to do is to line item compare ALLL OF THE PROSECUTORIAL BS BOGEYLOSER PUT FORTH BY PUTTING OUT ANOTHER BOOK USING REAL PROCEDURALS FOUND IN COURT (WESTLAW IS BONO FIDE) ALLOWING THE REAAL STUDIOUS TO JUDGE OR ANALYSE FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE IF YOURE AT ALL SWAYED IN THE LEAST BY "HELTER SKELTER" YOU ARENT VERY INTUITIVE ANYWAY. Reeve Whitson Profiles - Facebook That makes absolutely no sense. There's about a 6 minute long clip on YouTube put up a couple of months ago of Hurst telling the story of delivering the bike to Cielo, he talked about meeting Sebring at the front door when he knocked and dropping Abigail's new bike off in the garage and taking another one back to the store, I'd have to listen again to see what time he claims but obviously the time he gave at the time of the murders is probably going to be more accident since hardly any time has elapsed. Kay told him that Manson and Watson had been to the Cielo house when Terry Melcher and Candace Bergen were there. That's not in any doubt. [He said] to was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969, for one simple reason: he gone to prison then. What I'm getting at is that so many people have said so many things over the years and so often, information has been confused, mis-stated, misconstrued and people have projected something as fact when there has been no evidence to support it or any finding of proof. About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. Tate said Reeve was very, very helpful in Tates private investigation. He was connected with Nazis, top US Gov. For example, Bugliosi states that he learned that Gregg Jacobson arranged for Dean Moorehouse to stay at 10050 Cielo in the period between Terry Melcher leaving and the Polanskis moving in. I have the trial transcripts and Rudi Altobelli confirms the dates of who moved in and out and when and who was in the main and guest houses between Melcher's departure and the Polanskis arrival. I am also considered an information hoarder. There are a number of people mentioned, for example in that first Tate police report, many of whom were involved in the investigation whom we never hear of again. I also suspect John Lennon's murder is simply another example of a CHAOS/COINTELPRO operation, to discredit the Beatles and demean opposition to the Vietnam War (as far fetched as it sounds). You ought to get a hold of the trial testimony of his parole/probation officer, Samuel Barrett. Also Mon I think Whitson might be the truest character in O'Neill's book, but I think people are going to throw the baby out with the water on this one. That is a great question, Katie. I can't imagine Paul Tate lauding someone who could have prevented his daughter's death. My friend's father was an ACE pilot who could supply anything covert. The man comes across as a narcissistic hypocrite who also is a Mark Fuhrman apologist. He didn't even want to leave prison.Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent backIn your opinion. All be told I love a conspiracy book. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders' "The Family" that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to UkiahThis might be high tension wire drama.were it not for the fact that this has been public record since 1971. He didn't apply for it. What ONeill said was that Whitsons name appeared four times, all during Hatamis testimony. When you have what Hatami testified and what Bugliosi testified regarding Hatamis testimony and gather these statements together under the aggregate phrase Hatamis testimony, then you can see that ONeill was not careless in how he represented his source. CAROL!!! Extended interview: 50 years after the Manson - The Georgia Straight The documentary itself raises more questions than it answers and can't shed a positive light on the investigation, which was one of its goals. If he worked for Bugliosi I don't remember his name being mentioned in his book, unless it was just a sentence and I've forgotten it.BTW, Hatami took many pics of Sharon at Cielo Drive. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Thanks, Grim, for giving us the testimony. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. I don't advocate people calling you names as has happened on this and another site and in fact, as you know, I defend you on that. Hatami directed him to the caretaker's guest house on the other side of the pool, where Rudy Altobelli lived. He was probably there for the bike delivery, the hippie van delivery and at El Coyote dining. Texas Shooting: 40 Cops Stood Around Outside the School for 40 Minutes Krenwinkel did not see the flag on the couch. EL-KABONG! Supposedly Debra Tate has the manuscript for the book, one of the claims in it was that Paul Caruso was representing Tom Harrigan and when Helder saw the new MDA drug on the to reports he wanted to get a sample analyzed but didn't know where to come by it so he asked Caruso if Hartigan would give him a sample and he did, it's awfully convenient how often Caruso's name pops up in the TLB saga. 8. Reeve Whitson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images Ruth Wilson recently opened up more about why she left The Affair and claimed that she didn't feel safe on set. She knew that the others were making fun of the flag, of the establishment. As I said on the other blog, the other day I hate Bittaker with a passion. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only onesSounds like there was quite a queue just waiting to off a pregnant actress, a coffee heiress, a barber and awell, Wojiciech.starviego said O'Neill cites an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for Whitson's presence in the sceneNot only are they not impressive, you're kind of being rather evangelastic there, with the stretching, old pal. The Reeve Whitson character is intriguing, and I just don't know what to make of Sharon Tate's father. Since Reeve was a CIA agent posing as a hippie, he would have been among the hippies in the van. While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. Why did he not warn his friends Roman, Sharon and Jay? And then there was the investigation he helped Col. Tate conduct. Delivering arms, drugs, people, children were his usual business. Now Manson is a "secret agent"? He was a marginally employed and only marginally sane police groupie. And for my legal reasons and MORE, I comment & blog a certain wayThat's kind of neither here nor there. O'Neill's information on Whitson provides strong support for the proposition that military and intelligence agencies were involved in the Tate LaBianca murders, bringing the CIAs Phoenix program of assassination and torture of Vietnamese non-combatants home to America. Grim, in the comment I posted above, I mentioned Dennis Hurst. Mon Durphy said regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took 100s of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etcThat would apply, even if they hadn't taken loads of drugs over a 4~5 year period. Ruth Wilson Left The Affair Because She Didn't Feel Safe - Screen Rant pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. Whitson told him that Sharon and four others were dead. And has anybody seen Bugliosi's OJ Special ("OJ Simpson: 100% Guilty")? BUGLIOSI:I guess you could say thatQ:In connection with your duties thereto and therewith, did you have occasion to interview the preceding witness in your office in the month of April, 1970?A:Yes. ONeill also was given access to never-before-seen documents showing that DeCarlo said that Melcher made three visits to Spahn Ranch after the murders and spoke with Manson. Sharon Tate's father was military intelligence and headed an off-the-grid task force of sorts aimed at finding out more about his daughter's murder. When he said it, it seemed credible. He's scared to die now that he's in he's eighties, so I don't see him killing himself. I actually have been checking in most days since May. It's a natural conclusion to draw the he was probably watching Cielo for Folger and became friends with the group for that reason. Reeve Whitson, Tom O'Neill's Masterpiece CHAOS, and Difficult - YouTube My book is easy to read that's the way I intended it to be and that's why I don't want anyone cutting it up. Well Grim, your fan club is calling. As I have indicated on an earlier thread, according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. 'We were introduced to Art Linklater, and we were also given tickets for a show by Reeve, where, during the interval, we met Andrew Lloyd Webber and Sarah Brightman backstage in their dressing room,' Alistair told me. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidnice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lolI am, if nothing else, consistent on that !In all seriousness though, the dictionary definition of sceptical is "not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. Not now, however. Who knows if any of it is based in reality. Did Statman swipe it from Lt Deemer when she stole all the other stuff from his house? Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." I wonder if some of you are so dismissive because your default position is to be skeptical, so you're not actually letting the information in. Seems like his job was to insinuate himself into every possible source of information. Reeve Whitson? LAPD were looking for Hatami at the request of Bugliosi because Bugliosi wanted to know if what Rudi Altobelli had told him about Manson turning up at his pad and having been sent there by the people at the main house {and 4 of the 5 Cielo victims were at the house that day} could be corroborated; Bugliosi obviously couldn't get corroboration from Sharon, Jay, Gibbie and Wojiciech and Altobelli had mentioned that he thought Hatami was there that day.Whitson went to Bugliosi's office with Hatami as a friend of Hatami. (as well as Cointelpro and CHAOS agents provocateurs). Private Investigator Reeve Whitson CIA? So I think, like Mon says, the flag was there and Krenwinkel either didn't notice it or was was lying. [3] During World War II he enlisted in the . He could not have been there prior to the dinner engagement at the El Coyote, otherwise he would joined Sharon, Jay, Wojtek and Abigail.The time of departure to the restaurant is tied to the delivery of Abigails bicycle by Dennis Hurst. C'mon Grim, you know betterThe big reveal was that Danny DeCarlo "ratted out" the Manson crew which was against the biker code.But that has been public knowledge since September 1970.And no, I don't know better. J. Edgar Hoover's directive to his agents said this: 1. HA HA HA!! That sounds like a made up name. Bums don't earn a living with a paying job, they just move from camp to camp and sponge off folks.If Moorehouse lived at Cielo Drive when Melcher was there, it's news to me. Thabk you, Bunkhouse, Does anyone have any additional info on Reeve Whitson? O'Neill mentions the story of Manson going back to the Tate house with a "mysterious partner." Other than Gregg Jacobson and Stephanie Schram's sister, virtually no one outside the Family {or close contacts like Juan Flynn} has a pre~August '69 concept of HS. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. That just sounds funny. In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. The instance of the book saying that Dean Moorehouse lived at Cielo is unforgivable because it is errantly misleading, pure and simple. Was Charles Manson a CIA lab rat? | by Justin Ward | Medium They were estranged at the time and that was the only way for him to track her. Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. This is a bit off topic. Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. I wouldn't base any findings on what she says. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . It's much more factual than Helter Skelter. But a lot of people only see what they want to see and if they don't want to see the truth because they don't like it then they won't see it. I hardly think she was looking at furnishings in the house when Tex "sic'd her" on the residents. "I don't know. It came with the house. "I was only 19 at the time. But his daughters ? He was living with his parents in Los Angeles. It's such a huge book with such a plethora of facts and information that one can semi-overlook things that don't make a material difference to the case. -Excerpt from Sharon Tate - A Life by Ed Sanders "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." The Affair ran on Showtime for 5 seasons, only recently ending in November 2019.The show follows the marriages of Cole (Joshua Jackson) and Alison Lockhart (Wilson), and Noah (Dominic West) and Helen Solloway (Maura Tierney). ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book?I actually learned it initially from Cielodrive.com. I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Going back to the point about Whitson suggesting the memory of Manson being the one that Sharon looked at that day back in March '69, Hatami has always been consistent ~ he has no recollection of ever seeing Manson in the flesh. I don't buy into Bugliosis's Helter Skelter narrative however some of the girls have attested to This. He was a very dark player. April or March, I don't remember the exact month Q:And was that the first time that you had spoken with this witness?A:YesQDid you direct that he be present at your office at a particular time?A:YesQ And how did you do so? Good to see you!! The flag was put on the couch after she and her co-murderers left, where it would be seen by Winifred in the morning. A:Yes, I dictated a conversation and under the disclosure order I gave you a copy of my conversation with HatamiQ:I am taliking about when you were vis-a-visA:No, there was no one else there, just Reeves Witson, myself and Mr. Hatami, no other reporter thereQ:Like the court reporter here? You give a certain impression that actually is not so. "pg190Neil Cummings, lawyer friend of Whitson: "when it came to Manson, he "was closer to it than anybody..""He was actively involved with some sort of investigation when it happened. Someone above kept insisting he "popped up out of nowhere." Brenda ? Reeve Whitson was born on March 25, 1931. John Irvin interview THE FLASHBACK FILES He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. LOL. Sheilah nodded. He also knew Charles Manson. I've been reading a lot of British footballers autobiographies over the last 18 months and it never ceases to amaze me how people aren't even aware of the dates of certain events in their own lives or the results of matches they are commenting on. View the profiles of people named Reeve Whitson on Facebook. saidI think it's fair to say that a career criminal with high recidivism like Manson would have had stringent parole conditionsNot if you take into account 2 things > a] the things Manson had actually gone to jail for in the 50s and b] It was the authorities that paroled him. Sadie ? Versions of how the flag got there:Coroner, Thomas T. Noguchi and Joseph DiMonapg132the large American flag draped over the couch. She didn't go along with it, but she felt it might hurt them if she took it away. Reeve Whitson of Ireland and James Webber of England shake hands on the 18th hole at the end of their singles match on the final day of the Boys Home.
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